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♪ good evening. i'm ari melber. welcome to our live coverage on this final debate night. 11:00 p.m. out west, 1:00 a.m. out east, as america's political tension is tracking america's health problems amidst the surging covid cases. any president would presumably be under fire for this record, but especially one who recently caught the virus himself after flouting his own administration's rules. tonight, donald trump's struggling to defend his failure to combat the pandemic. >> if you take a look at what we've done in terms of goggles and masks and gowns and everything else, and in
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particular, ventilators. we're now making ventilators all over the world, thousands and thousands a month, distributing them all over the world. it will go away. and as i say, we're rounding the turn. we're rounding the corner. it's going away. >> trying to argue he's on the job while repeating discredited claims that this will just go away. that's a turn of phrase joe biden was quick to seize on tonight. trump also continued to claim that a vaccine is around the corner. >> this is the same fella who told you, don't worry, we're going to end this by the summer. we're about to go into a dark winter, a dark winter, and he has no clear plan and there's no prospect that there's going to be a vaccine available for the majority of the american people before the middle of next year. >> in trump's telling tonight, this is some kind of unavoidable global problem that will just go away, a claim fact-checked by medical experts and then, as you saw partly there, shredded by joe biden, who's making the closing argument that facing these tough realities is
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actually safer than lying to ourselves and asking people to vote like their lives depend on it. now we turn to a big panel of big guns as we kick off this hour. former obama campaign manager david plouffe, former rnc chair michael steele, and former united states senator from the state of california, barbara boxer. big night in politics. great to have each of you here. how are you guys doing? >> good. >> starting with you, david -- great. david, you worked for a president who, in a very different way, was not widely praised for his first incumbent presidential debate. was nothing like trump, but it wasn't obama's best debate. donald trump had a terrible one last time, as evidence even by the views of the trump white house, because they, somehow, got him, talked him into being a little bit less combative tonight. what did you see here in this final debate and who do you think won? >> well, ari, we actually lost the first debate in '12 as badly
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as trump lost this one, so it was pretty bad. but then we came back and won the next two. so, trump did not win this debate. and we were ahead in that race, narrowly, but ahead. he's losing, so that's what matters. was there anybody watching who's, you know, leaning biden, not all the way there, the few undecided voters left, who says, you know what, what i saw in donald trump, i'm going to give him four more years? nobody saw that. and the covid exchange you saw was the most important part of the debate. it's the issue that matters most. and once again, you saw no empathy from trump, no accepting of responsibility, whether it was that issue, kids separated from their families. and his own passion really he showed in the debate was about the biden family. and i think at the end of the day, the race doesn't change at all. maybe biden gains a little bit by it, but he missed a big opportunity. so, he's going to get graded on a curve by some, particularly in the republican party, for saying oh, boy, if trump had just done
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that last time, we'd be winning the election. all he did was probably not bleed out any more tonight. but i thought the health care exchange, around the supreme court and the covid exchange at the beginning of the debate were the most important parts of the debate. and i thought joe biden did a good job throughout the debate. and listen, this is hard. having prepared candidates for this. you know, he dealt with donald trump in two debates. the first one complete rabid dog, this one a little less, but i think as the debate went on, you saw more rabid dog. and he kept his composure and kept his focus on the american people. that takes some doing. as senator boxer knows, once you get on the stage, your playbook can get thrown out the window and i think biden deserves credit for that. that's what people are looking for -- calm things down, be season, be reasonable. i think in a lot of respects, he underlined the attributes that have been important for him. >> senator boxer, if david is right, it was rabid dog heeling?
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heel for a while, maybe pulling on the chain the last half an hour. to david's point, senator, if the debate doesn't change much, that's terrible news for donald trump. >> yeah, the way i look at it, after listening to great experts like michael and david, i think we know who trump needs to move towards his corner -- women! he's getting killed by women, okay? across the board, every type of woman. that's number one. number two -- seniors. he's got some problems with seniors. and i can tell you, he had every opportunity, because i did these debates. and you look for the opportunity, right, to go after what you know you need to do. so, david's right, the covid thing was huge. and seniors are scared to death, and they're hurting. we're hurting. we can't hug our grandkids. i don't even know how to express it. it's -- i'm doing more facetime
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calls. i can't kiss them over the phone. >> it's not the same, is it, senator? >> no, it's not the same. and so, we're hurting. and he didn't win seniors, because he's callous about covid. and joe is empathetic. and the same thing goes for the questions about black parenting, telling your children what they have to do if, god forbid, they're stopped by the police and their skin is dark, what do they do? and joe just -- you know that he felt it. and you know that donald trump, all he could say was he's the best president, you know, since abe lincoln. and the last one -- the last issue was the child separation. and again, as a woman, okay, as a senior woman, i could tell you this, you don't have to be latinx community to cry your eyes out when you see 500-plus kids separated from the people they need in their lives the
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most. so, i think he blew it with those groups. >> michael? >> well, i want to tag on both david and the senator's points. for me, this debate boiled down to one thing. it wasn't the environment. it wasn't foreign policy. it wasn't any of that. it was covid. it was covid before he came to this debate. it was covid during this debate. and it's covid going out of this debate. because at the end of the day, families are still dealing with covid-19. and the economic, the social unrest, and all the ancillary pieces that pull off of that just tighten that political noose around donald trump's
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political opportunity and slowly and methodically strangles it. he did not give this country a reason to re-elect him. yes, he was calm er, he was les frenetic, less in your face. so, the meds worked. but the conversation didn't change. and i think that's something a lot of folks will take away from this final debate. the senator put it very precisely for a lot of folks out there -- i can't hug my grandchildren. and donald trump, that's your fault. i can't restart my business. and donald trump, yeah, that's on you, too. and i thought vice president biden framed that part of that discussion very precisely.
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you could feel what he was saying and you could see donald trump reel from it. when he starts talking about, you know, ppes, and you know, ventilators, people are going, dude, what are you talking about, right? so, i think for all that this debate stood for, it boiled down to covid-19. and the president still has no answer for it. >> yeah. and 2020 may ultimately turn on covid-19, in 2019, when it began, stretching beyond 2020. but the future depends a lot on that. thank you, david plouffe and senator boxer. key moments centered on the revelations that the united states government isn't able to locate the parents of 545 migrant children separated by the policies of the trump administration, children taken from their parents. our moderator and our colleague,
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kristen welker, asking donald trump if he planned to do anything about it. >> do you have a plan to reunite the kids? >> yes, we're working on it very -- we're trying very hard, but a lot of these kids come out without their parents. they come over through cartels and through coyotes and through gangs. >> vice president biden, let me bring you into the conversation. quick response, then another question for you. >> these 500-plus kids came with parents. they separated them at the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with. they're real tough, we're really strong. and guess what, they cannot -- coyotes didn't bring them over. their parents were with them. they got separated from their parents. >> that's all true. that was a breakout moment. i want to bring into the conversation professor of policy at the lbj school, victoria defrancesco soto. michael steele still with us. professor, joe biden seemed to come alive there. viewers can judge for themselves how earnest, genuine they felt
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that he was. but every word he said was true. it was a stephen miller, steve bannon, donald trump policy to be cruel, to do what other countries consider the torture of minors, and now it's on that debate stage. not everyone follows it as closely as some of our viewers or as you and michael might. there are people living their lives dealing with covid when the story broke a year-plus ago, they might not have heard about it. boy, did they hear it tonight, professor. >> right. so, i think this is a moment that reminded america of what was happening on the border three years ago, when we saw the cameras. i was down there. msnbc was down there. all of these outlets were down there physically seeing when children were being separated from their parents, and it's going to be seared in our collective consciousness forever, in the history of this nation. so, i think bringing this up really highlighted the contrast between a biden vision and a
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trump reality. and what's important here to realize is, this has been the most extreme and cruel manifestation of a trump immigration policy, but ari, let's not forget that under trump, we saw daca rescinded. the supreme court held it up, but then dhs has constrained it through its rulemaking to where it's a very watered-down version. we've seen legal immigration constrained. we've seen our refugee camps go from 100,000 under the obama administration to 15,000, a sliver of what it was, keeping in mind that right now, the u.n. estimates that there are over 80 million displaced persons in this world as a result of war and oppression. so, it is a whole agenda of immigration, suppression, and cruelty that we have seen under the trump administration. so, this moment in the debate was critically important because we hadn't seen it in the previous debate or town halls that reminds us of the very real
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difference between a trump presidency and a biden vision. >> michael? >> yeah, say what you want about immigration policy, and we can go around the horn about, you know, what it is and what it isn't, but we watched children in cages. we watched families separated. and for us now to learn that over 500 children have no parents because we can't find them, we cannot reunite them with their parents after we took them from their parents, that's an indelible stain on this administration. but to the professor's point, it is an incredibly painful and indelible stain on this country that we as citizens will go into the future knowing that that's now part of our history, that we did that, that we took these kids. as much as we -- particularly
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for a party that talks about family values, for a party that talks -- and this is my party i'm talking about! i mean, i've been in those rooms where they just wax on about, you know, how much we care about children and families and mothers and apple pie, and that's not what we saw in this policy. and so, you know, given what i said about covid-19, this was the other piece, this was the bookend in the conversation in this debate tonight for a lot of families out there, for a lot of suburban women, for a lot of women who are living in cities, for women, period, for moms who, you know -- just think about it. the government comes into your home and takes your children from you, and then six months later, uh, we don't know where they are. >> yeah. >> that's painful. >> and professor, can you speak
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to why this also suggests that policy and facts matter? because there's a great deal of attempted cynicism out there, which is in a way just trying fog depress civic engagement. but watching tonight, i couldn't help but get the sense that, wow, donald trump being called out in a forum where there were facts, where there was an able moderator, where people could hear the words expressing how government power is used. all that mattered, because he didn't like it and knew at whatever level he understands things this wasn't going well. >> there is no policy substance from the part of trump, because when it came to talking about issues such as the coronavirus, the economy, there was a lot of dancing around the issue, and, well, we're going to have a vaccine and this and that. and a lot of vagaries and nontruths. when it came to things that he has had actual policies on, such as immigration policy, he tried to run away from it, and he tried to deflect.
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he was pointing at the obama administration, which did have very high deportation rates. vice president biden acknowledges it and says we need to make this right. so, the one piece where he could really dig into policy, he didn't. and i've got to tell you, ari, it is really interesting, because remember, four years ago, donald trump could not talk about immigration fast enough, right? >> that was true. that was the closing argument. >> -- the border wall. right? >> yep. >> and suddenly, he's running away from immigration, because he knows that he has hit a nerve with the american public with the extremities that he has gone to by putting kids in cages. >> yeah, all very important. i know you worked on this issue a lot. i want to thank victoria. michael, on a lighter note -- >> yes. >> those viewers who have hung out late night here at msnbc know, the later it gets, the better, deeper steele experience we get. so i'm going to ask you to come back later tonight, all right? >> you got it, my friend.
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>> all right. i'll see you both soon, and michael sooner. we're going to fit in a break. we come back with an important fact check i want to show you. we've done some of the analysis, some of the ups and downs, but there are facts and things the president lied about, and we're going to show them to you, clauding what you need to know to stay safe on the virus. all that after this break. ow to stay safe on the virus. all that after this break. sten . the medicare enrollment deadline is only weeks away. with so many changes, do you know if your plan is still the right fit? having the wrong plan may cost you thousands of dollars out of pocket. and that's why i love healthmarkets, your insurance marketplace. with healthmarkets' fitscore, they compare thousands of plans from national insurance companies to find the right medicare plan that fits you. call or visit healthmarkets to find your fitscore today. in minutes, you can find out if your current plan is the right fit and once you've let the fitscore do the work, sit back and enjoy not having to shop for insurance again. healthmarkets' fitscore forever technology will continuously scan the market for the best coverage at the best price. so you can shop once and save again and again and again.
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♪ welcome back. we've got special guests coming up and our fact-check. this was a contentious debate on immigration, on all kinds of
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other policies, and of course, as discussed, the family separations. >> children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels. >> but how will you reunite these kids with their families, mr. president? >> let me tell you, they built cages. they built cages -- >> do you have a plan to reunite them? >> yes, we're trying very hard, but a lot of the kids come over through cartels. >> coyotes didn't bring them over. their parents brought them. they got separated from their parents. >> trump's claims are mostly follis. the administration has separated over 5,000 children from their parents. that's not coyotes, that's policy. and 545 children have parents that have not been located. trump's implying that the obama administration had the same policy. that is misleading and largely false. we should note, obama did run family detention centers, but the administration did not target families to be separated as a policy goal. now, obama did come under fire for putting some detainees in
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cages. these photos, for example, are from during the obama administration in 2014. trump also had his facts off on the coronavirus, falsely claiming the vaccine is weeks away. we're going to show you how that's debunked by his own cdc director. >> we have a vaccine that's coming, it's ready. it's going to be announced within weeks, and it's going to be delivered -- >> if you're asking me, when is it going to be generally available to the american public, i think we're probably looking at third -- late second quarter, third quarter 2021. >> that is a far cry from weeks away. donald trump also had bold and false claims about recovery rates for the virus. >> 99.9% of your people recover. 99% of people recover. we have to recover. we can't close up our nation. >> false, in fact. about 21% of the younger adults who get this under 34 still need
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intensive care. one in ten need ventilators. and as far as the 99%, wrong, because 2.7% die from the virus, so that is false. the death rate for the virus in the united states also roughly 2.6% overall. the bottom line being that while being young means you're not in the at-risk pool, it doesn't mean you have a walk in the park. now, we turn to campaign veteran sam nunberg, who worked on the campaign and in the mueller probe. jake worked on the campaigns and christina greer' fordham professor. good morning to you all. christina, your view on the downward pressure on trump, in a debate that was more audible, had more words in between the candidates and had president trump caught in the falsehoods. >> we should just call them lies. the president, if he read briefs that were presented to him, he should know these things as president of the united states,
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where we have 220,000 americans who have died. he shrugged his shoulders on several occasions. i thought joe biden came out quite strongly when he said, you know, is this the leader who is supposed to lead us out of this pandemic when he does not seem to care about all of the families that have suffered? and when we think about it young people, ari, you put those stats up on the screen -- you know, we're not even talking about the students who have missed school, those who, you know, still are not fully 100%. they may not have been in the hospital on vrngentilators, but they'll still have a long road to recovery. this president is immune to any empathy, compassion and leadership. he said time and time again that that's not really his problem. we know he's got the best health care in the world. that's why he is mirekly cured. but that does not mean that the millions of americans who are still struggling with the coronavirus and looking for a real path forward, not just for their own personal health, but also for the economic health of the nation, and as we've talked about on several occasions, ari,
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you know, wall street and the stock market is not the pocketbook issues that so many americans really rely on, and they really need someone who understands what they're going through. and we know this president sees his supporters as marks and he's quite fine with just recognizing that he and his family will be fine, and the trickle-down economics that he, you know, gives people tax breaks, he's fine with that. and i think his lack of compassion was on full display yet again, and it's embarrassing, to be honest, as a political scientist and as someone who studies american politics and knows that the international community is looking at us with a very close eye to this election. >> sam nunberg, you've been in the room with donald trump. what did you think of the differences that we saw in him tonight versus the first debate? how do you think that came about? your appraisal overall? >> well, the campaign did a very good job in this debate, lowering expectations. they put out that the president
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wasn't preparing for it. that wasn't true. partly, they did that, by the way, because they didn't want rudy giuliani to be involved in the debate preparations this time around. i thought in terms of his overall debate, he's been in five presidential debates, this is probably his second best performance of them, compared -- i hold his first one being the town hall after the "access hollywood." if i'm a republican, i'm a republican. i thought that this was a good performance by him tonight. i'll be the only one to say it probably on this network. you have to be happy. and the way i look at this is you're going to have to focus right now on arizona, north carolina, and pennsylvania. and i think that that's where this election's going to come down to. i suspect that the president, after tonight, has solidified ohio and florida, and it's going to come down to those three states. by the way, all three of those states as of today biden would win. so, he still has a very uphill battle. he got some good strikes in on biden. he got some good strikes in. and the rule actually helped him. and kristen welker being the moderator actually helped him as well because she's a great
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moderator, as opposed to the first one, chris wallace. and i think what we saw in a lot of -- when we get to the energy, for instance, the energy issue, which anybody can admit, biden basically saying, being antifracking, antioil, that's not going to help him in pennsylvania. that's what the president was focusing on. i thought the president could have done a better job generally in some of the other areas. with that said, this is the best you're going to get out of him and republicans have to be happy. >> chay? >> it's all well and good to say republicans can be happy. the problem is, donald trump already has republicans. he doesn't need any more republican votes to win this election. he needs a lot of swing voters. he needs independent voters. he needs more women. he is losing women by 23 points. he is losing suburban women by 19 points. what did he do tonight to possibly move the needle? absolutely nothing as far as i'm concerned. there's absolutely nothing that he did tonight that will convince a suburban woman, white woman, who is not supporting donald trump, who's supported him before, to come back to him.
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absolutely nothing. and by the way, in terms of the fact-check about covid, yeah, okay, why would -- the lie was kind of baffling, because before he lied about the mortality rate of covid, he said he was really worried about it. and he was very worried about the gold star mothers potentially -- and gold star parents, potentially giving him covid. i mean, why would that be the case, if this disease is no big deal? why would he admit to being so worried about it? why do people at trump rallies wear masks behind him if this is not such a big deal? it absolutely was baffling. it was really all over the place. >> yeah, and it's also interesting the references to kristen welker, who, full disclosure, is our colleague, but is getting widely hailed for a good job. and to that point, christina, i want to play a little bit of our own rachel maddow's first response right when the debate ended tonight. take a look. >> as i toss to my cleepgolleag
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to rachel, nicole and joy, i would only add a personal note -- somebody owes our colleague, kristen welker, an apology. take it away. >> yeah, exactly. well, she's owed an apology by the president, who attacked her over and over and over again heading into this event tonight, trying to work the refs, trying to intimidate her. clearly, kristen welker was not intimidated. she is owed an apology, you're right, by the president on that. but i think she is owed congratulations by the country. i think if there was a clear winner from the debate tonight, i don't know who would argue with the fact that it was, in fact, kristen welker, who did an incredibly professional, cogent, coherent job. >> i've got just about 60 seconds, so, lightning round, in a sentence or two from each of you, your thoughts about this. because the first debate really did bog down with the president breaking the rules and deserved criticism of mr. wallace from fox news. we may be seeing the emergence of a different view here. in a sentence or two, your thoughts on that, starting with christina. >> well, i thought kristen did a
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great job because she actually had follow-up questions. chris wallace asked a question about race and says, well, you can answer it or not. that was a real disservice to the american people. i like the fact that kristen asked a question, and when it wasn't answered, followed up and said, no, sir, you know, this is actually the question that's intended. >> right. sam? >> you know kristen did well because on the other station, i won't name it, the people immediately after the debate were complaining that she interrupted the president too much because she knew she did a much better job. >> yeah, and look, she did a great job and i will say it. the reason donald trump was going after her is because, quite frankly, she's a woman, and this was an obnoxious foghorn, if you will, to his supporters. you know, that's what that was about. and i think it's a shame and i think it's terrible. but i'll say it. that was what that was about. >> yeah. appreciate the candor, important to put it on record. and again, our hats off to her
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here. sam nunberg, christina greer, chay komen drury, thank you. appreciate each of you. don't go anywhere at home, because we have something very special cooked up in our final late-night debate of this election. we think you might not want to miss it. stay tuned. not want to miss it. stay tuned
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♪ on this final debate night, we know americans are very focused on this race, with audiences for the first debate
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near all-time highs. more viewers watched biden's town hall last week than trump's. there's record-breaking early vote. and of course, it's keeping us busy here in the news and up late with some of our favorite campaign veterans, pulling long hours and staying up with us, like michael steele, a former high-ranking maryland official who you all know. he also ran the republican party and is an analyst. he has a focus and independence that is now on display, we should note, in his public announcement that this lifelong republican sees biden as the answer to this year. that's in a newlin con project ad. i mention that now because we have something special for this last late night of debate coverage this year. call it the unofficial marking of an unofficial tradition, "late night with michael steele." that's how we've come to view these increasingly punchy sessions, as steele, our beloved analyst, mixes with steele's
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beloved muppet, of course, from the daly show. >> you got me on that one. but look, i've had my jell-o and my lemonade. i'm ready. let's do this. >> do you? do you approve of the graphic? >> yeah. i absolutely approve of the graphic! that's what i'm talking about! [ laughter ] >> well, we have to have -- >> -- this joint -- >> yes, baby, we have to have fun where we can. and in that spirit, we are going to continue down the road of something we've done every late night, which is keep an eye on americans' reactions to all this, including on the internet, where it's faster than ever. so we'll have michael react to this. biden's facial expressions were, of course, something everyone's getting in on. that includes, check this out, his own granddaughter, who teased biden for making the same faces now that she makes when she watches reality tv. here's one image of biden going around, head thrown back, eyes closed in apparent pain as he has to listen to trump. someone posting, "well, that's
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all of us." another viewer made a gif out of one of biden's expressions saying, well, she couldn't resist. and that's right there on a loop. michael, steve schmidt was saying earlier, biden was a good communicator with the expressions. also, clearly, people are just noticing it because some of it was funny. >> yeah, you know, look, that first one, you know, he's got his head thrown back, that's the one where it's like, oh, lord, please, lordy, lordy. that's what that is. i mean, i can tell you what that look is. yeah, you know, it's interesting, because when you're on that stage with someone like trump -- and i've done debates with guys who are kind of like whac-a-moles, you know? you're just kind of, where are you, right? the best thing to do is exactly what you saw biden do, just kind of chill, chuckle when, you know, when you otherwise want to cuss, and just kind of throw your head back, you know? now, if you've got more hair, it's a little bit more
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effective, but that's never been an issue, so that's not my issue. >> yeah, and look, we're talking about communicating in this way, where you want to deal with what other side's saying, but not in a way that undercuts yourself. trump clearly messed that up in the overinterrupting, but biden sort of found that way. >> right. >> another set of memes making the rounds. ariana huffington, who, of course, has her own "huffington post," proposes a bingo on the bingo card. our own friend and colleague, jonathan capehart, put down the drinking game for witch hunt. kamala harris's niece, all the family members getting in it, just saying "malarkey." yeah, a kamala family member. how much do you think the internet echoes how people watch this thing? >> oh, it absolutely echoes it. and the winner tonight was none of those. it was, "come on, man!" >> come on, man. >> that was the winner tonight. come on, man! i mean, that is so -- that is so
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biden, it is so pennsylvania, it is so delaware. and i think the internet does track that. they like that stuff. you know, you make the face, you have the phrase, it becomes a meme. it's a way people connect. and when you're a candidate in the position like biden, it works for you. it also works for trump. and to be honest and fair to him, i mean, he's created some of these memes and some of these, you know, moments as well. and you know, a lot of his folks like it. but what it does is it engages people in the debate, and that's the most important part, when you have these kinds of national events. you want people to be engaged. we'll all decide who won, who lost, what's up, what's down, but there's got to be a little bit of enjoyment in it, you know? >> yeah. >> there's got to be that moment where you go, yeah, this is a little bit crazy. i like that. >> let's be clear, this is the
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last time we can confirm these two will be in the same place together, because -- >> yes. >> -- if the president were to be re-elected, then he would go on. joe biden would go on with his life. if joe biden is elected, with this president, i don't think you can count on anything like the normal decorum of the transition meeting or inauguration day. i mean, there's no law that requires the president to be classy about that. so, seeing them on that stage together, i was thinking about, as biden was, you know, basically shading trump often as a liar, but in his own way, you know, malarkey, malarkey, malarkey. jimmy kimmel tweeting "malarkey alert" when biden brought that up. senator rand paul, malarkey, exclamation point. and biden himself, or maybe one of these strategists that are online as well, "malarkey!" and that was trending. i mention that again, michael, because we all engage in this different ways. this is a chance where people who don't maybe watch the entire
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debate, they get that flavor of it. and the idea that joe biden is saying that the president is full of bs, but in his own, nice way. >> yeah. you know, and people kind of take it up, you know? they repeat it, they respond to it. it's an old-fashioned phrase. and for a lot of us, it takes us back to our childhood. the interesting thing about joe biden -- and i say this not just because i'm supporting him, but even before i got to that moment, the one thing i liked about him is that he is home-spun. he is someone we've known and connected with for a long time. and you know, the ups and downs, the gaffes, the moments, all of that in the package, i think people kind of look at it and go, he's a regular guy. and it's one of those things that worked for george bush 43. when he was president, you know, he was the guy people wanted to have a beer with. they liked being around him. and so, that's a unique quality in politics, particularly when
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people don't want to give you a lot of respect sometimes and they just want to throw a lot of shade your way. that quality is something that, you know, sort of endured -- you know, kind of endears you to people in a very special way. and joe has that. and the interesting thing -- again, not to slight trump -- he's got it, but it's different, you know. his is more bravado. his is more like beating the chest -- >> sure. >> -- you know, i'm macho man, which is why he has that appeal with a certain, you know, certain groups within the hispanic community, hispanic men, and with some black men. and that's the appeal he's going to try to sell and sort of pull votes with this november. we'll see. but those qualities then see themselves manifested on twitter and on facebook and other social media, and it's a way of getting the country engaged. and i like that. i do like that part of it. it gets ugly sometimes,
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dangerously so, but it's good quality. >> well, that goes to the last one i want to ask you about, because everybody knows, however you text or however you keep in touch, or if you keep in touch with younger people, there's another energy where even serious things are tossed off where, you could say, that's terrible, or you could just say that the laughing emoji's kind of like, i'm laughing at that and i'm done with it. gifs -- these little animated things people share, works the same, because sometimes that says more. if a picture is worth 1,000 words, what's an animated picture worth, maybe 10,000? >> a whole hell of a lot. >> exactly! and that brings us to the abraham lincoln -- >> -- is out there -- one of my favorites is the kids come running down the hall and he gets to the room. i don't know what he sees, but he makes that turn. oh, it's so funny. >> yeah. that's a good one. now, we saw with donald trump got in the whole lincoln racism thing. "the breakfast club," which is a very popular show, used this
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right theohere, the idea that trump's the least racist person in the world and soulja boy is just up mock walking out of the interview. this is going viral. the meme lincoln would want trump to keep his name out of his mouth and they give the nice lincoln shot, updated there. michael, where's that fit in? because of course, yes, justice and race is serious, but these are also different people with a different following with thought leadership also just saying, please. >> yeah, and that's where in a political moment like that, when you have major institutions, and certainly, celebrities of a caliber that are, you know, people not just follow them, but take seriously what they say -- they're socially engaged or whatever -- when they smack at you, that hurts. that's a sting that lasts for a while. that's, you know, that's 280,000 views.
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that's, you know, 40,000 retweets, and you know, 75,000 likes. and you just see it -- you just see yourself getting smaller and smaller in the moment. so, that kind of drives that conversation as well, when you have, particularly, ari, when you have people who don't socially engage a lot and then they make a statement in a moment like that. >> yeah. >> when they put out a meme or something. it's pretty powerful. it goes a long way because there's someone who's not normally in the game or in that space. and when they get in that space, people pay more attention, so the effect is a little bit more powerful, lasts a little bit longer, stings a little bit harder, or lightens the mood. >> yeah. all fair points. i'm going to tell you something, because you know i try to keep it 100, michael. you know that. >> hold that. now, while you do that, someone wants to say hello, so keep talking. i'll be right -- give me 30 seconds. >> okay. take your time. michael steele gets up from the interview. you don't see that in late-night
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